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From: cfk (cfk AT pacbell DOT net) Date: Sat Jun 14 2003 - 14:58:07 EDT
Dear John:
I suspect distracting Magic efforts to add pcb would be
counter-productive. As time goes on, I think that a silicon substrate will
become the pcb of the future, but that paradigm means fitting our thoughts
to the capabilities of silicon design, not fitting silicon design into a pcb
mentality. Tim has expressed a vision of a unified set of tools for silicon
design that contemplates the silicon design flow and just finishing that is
a monumental task.
I have a whole list of silicon suggestions for magic, and I know that
some of them are consistent with Tim's list. For instance:
* A standard cell library in sub-micron technology that also is the basis of
a tutorial
*A new and updated set of tutorials with sub-micron in mind
*Finishing the integration of Verilog/VHDL -> netlist -> simulation
(irsim) -> simulation (spice) -> LVS
* Adding silicon tool features such as PAR, a ruler line in micron/nanometer
divisions, parameterized cell process dev. kit
* And of course, Tim's really biggy, getting the first chip fabricated with
Magic 7.2 that takes it from alpha thru beta to released.
I suspect the PCB design paradigm needs to happen seperately from Magics
future or none of those will happen. I dont want to insult you in the
slightest, as I respect your opinions, but keeping Magic from being
distracted is more then enough to think about. There just isnt time for
distractions.
With highest regards, Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Griessen" <john_g AT cibolo DOT com>
To: "magic" <magic-dev AT csl DOT cornell.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: incantations of "box"
> On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 11:35, R. Timothy Edwards wrote:
> > Dear Charles,
> >
> > Okay, okay, this stuff should go in the tutorials, I know. . .
>
> I'm still not stucying magic yet for lack of a paying application for it
> and having a likely paying application for pcb coming soon, and have
> been working with Steve Meier adding some scripting features to pcb that
> this reminds me of. We used a socket listener in the block of c code
> that handles commands coming from a GUI to allow the same commands to be
> triggered by the socket listener. It lends itself to making scripts in
> whatever script language the user likes and sending them to the socket
> to be acted on immediately.
>
> Does tcl have a simple way to do something like this?
>
> Also, some have said that magic can be used to do boards, but could
> magic have convenient board making features added? It seems a lot of
> work to make new shapes like lines with a width and circular ends... but
> since you have just added arbitrary angles to draw polygons...?
>
> Sorry if these comments come from lack of magic user experience and are
> abstract...I've not gotten into much c coding yet.
>
> John Griessen
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